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Iv gone and joted some notes down that I'll be typing up two pieces on substack using some terms you mentioned near the start of this and it's previous piece about Tönnies.

But on another note I've just looked up the word culture on etymonline and it doesn't actually refer to a place until about the 19th century or 20th century, before that it was todo with land tilling/ cultivation.

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Did I mistakenly use the term outside of its proper historical context? If so, I'd appreciate you drawing that you my attention to exactly where. I'm deeply immersed in trying to convert all this into a book, so would appreciate the help with that. Thanks.

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Here is the link for the website, can be a starting point for futher research, https://www.etymonline.com/word/culture#etymonline_v_452

It also uses proto-indo European source words where it can.

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Great. Thanks. But I took you to be saying that in this post (or another) I was locating the concept of culture in a historically inaccurate way. If so, can you point me to where in the post I did so? Just to be sure I don't replicate the error into the book. Thanks again.

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Right, I got it, it's my fault, I made a connection from a different post and the two about tönnies and Weber plus my own reading over the years of these reoccurring concepts.

It is todo with the term asabiya which is an Islamic word for (I'm English) shared values/ shared "culture".

'Asabiyyah is a concept of social solidarity with an emphasis on unity, group consciousness, and a sense of shared purpose and social cohesion, originally used in the context of tribalism and clanism.'

To put it simply this dialectic between rural and urban goes back to the Greeks mayber before. Called Apollonian vs Dionysian.

'Apollonian and the Dionysian are philosophical and literary concepts represented by a duality between the figures of Apollo and Dionysus from Greek mythology. Its popularization is widely attributed to the work The Birth of Tragedy by Friedrich Nietzsche, though the terms had already been in use prior to this,[1] such as in the writings of poet Friedrich Hölderlin, historian Johann Joachim Winckelmann, and others. The word Dionysian occurs as early as 1608 in Edward Topsell's zoological treatise The History of Serpents.[2] The concept has since been widely invoked and discussed within Western philosophy and literature.'

Gemeinschaft and Gesellschaft is a German understanding of this rural vs urban issue popping up again.

My fault was with making the comment about "culture" when you have not typed it up in your pieces. My deepest of apologies for my mistake.

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No apology needed. I appreciate your detective work, and sharing of it. Thanks.

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Scratch my previous reply il have to check when I've got access to a computer, my bloody mobile phone doesn't have a word search function.

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Understood, I get back in a couple of minutes.

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I must say I don't like the Gemeinschaft / Gesellschaft binary. I would like a three-way split, with Gesellschaft meaning social -- "mein Gesell" translates as "my companion" -- and Rangordnungschaft meaning hierarchy.

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Suffering is no big deal as long as you can find a meaning in it 😉

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