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Perhaps my thoughts are not clear on this matter so my expression was also unclear.

I reject the managerial regime, even while having to live within its territories.

In the context of a 'temporalist' (coherent communal) regime, the crux of behavioral issues (like 'trans' or 'village idiot' or 'village drunk') is that of 'eccentricity' versus 'deviance'.

You mentioned 'dignity' and that seems to a factor that needs to be considered. I believe that the coherent community can accord 'dignity' to the eccentric, but not the genuinely deviant. The difference being that eccentrics don't challenge any foundational principles and deviants do.

If you ever get a chance, track down the episodes of the American TV show 'The Andy Griffith Show' and look for the episodes with 'Otis' the town drunk. I'd call their approach 'permissive correction' in the sense that no one thinks they can force Otis to stop being a drunk, so they reduce the harm he does by giving him the keys to the jail to 'sleep it off' while always looking for ways to give him something better than booze to organize his life.

As a deviant, Foucault's 'histories' are always about how 'the system' suppresses deviance and 'harms' them. He has no interest in why such suppression might be beneficial to everyone else.

As for Laing, he suffered, I think, from the illusion that every mentally ill person was as clever and sensitive as himself. Laing had a theory about 'schizophrenia' and I'd say that theory might have been disproven. I don't think Laing was trying to immiserate his fellow sufferers. He was just wrong.

Other than physics, my experience has led me to accept that there is no meaning outside community. What it means for something to 'mean' is simply to 'be a meaning for' some community. What Darwin exposes to possible consideration is whether or not a particular community - with all its combined values and the decisions to act or not act that arise from those values - is sustainable independent of 'thoughts in our head'.

In the case of the German Home Towns, the towns were not sustainable due to their inability to defend themselves in the context of an emergent spatialist regime. The spatialists have been destroying coherent communal cultures since 300AD. They've gotten good at it. Those of us who see the struggle as 'coherent community' versus 'managerial regime' need to figure out how we can protect the communities we so desperately need to build.

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I agree that the proper response would be to affirm the autonomy (and dignity) of 'the family' while also creating a discplinary regime for 'professionals'.

But I would be remiss if I didn't point out the absence of the use of the phrase 'mental illness' in the discourse around 'trans' and LGBTQ'.

'Adult transitioners' are simply crazy people. If they thought they were Napolean, it would be more obvious what's wrong with them. But *academics* made this particular kind of insanity respectable.

Because of liberal (spatial) ideology, people think 'rights' inhere in persons and that assumption *requires* the bearer of such rights to be 'autonomous' and 'responsible for their actions'.

But that's simply a false presentation of reality.

The Left is correct when it proposed 'the personal is the political and the political is the personal'. At least it was correct in recognizing that there's no barrier to the effects *on others* that emanate from our actions.

The only option is to create communities of like-minded and like-acting persons and exclude those who are not inclined to conform to the values of 'the community'.

If all the people involved in 'adult transitions' had to live in their own communities *only* with people who are also 'adult transitioners' and their enablers, we could see whether or not their specific 'community values' would be capable of forming a sustainable community.

In brief, all liberalism follows the capitalist dictum of 'internalize the profits, externalize the costs' and such is the case with these spacialist 'communities' of deviance.

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